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  Article: It's Time to Outlaw Extreme Shunning in Modern Society

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://gilmermirror.com/bookmark/23272594/article-extreme%20shunning#.ufwjurllscm.facebook.

  extreme shunningthe gilmer mirror.

  its time to outlaw extreme shunning in modern society by: richard e. kelly .

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  Old Goat

  LongHair,

  The age of majority in most states is 18.
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  Anyone threaten a lawsuit against elder committee that DF you.

  by jam in

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  if you threaten the commmitee with a lawsuit, each of you.

  will hear from my lawyer if you df me today.

  all you have, every penny.

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  Years ago I was on the other side of this. A disfellowshiped person threatened to sue. They got themselves a lawyer who wrote a strongly-worded letter. We turned it over to the Watch Tower Society's legal department. They wrote back to the hick lawyer sending him a huge pile of prior court decisions and essentially said, "Go ahead, sue. See what happens." They dropped the case. Implicit in this was the threat of court costs and lawyer fees being assessed against the complainant.

  Suing on this basis does not work. It is a waste of time. It amounts to a huge temper tantrum without any significant meaning.
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  Article: It's Time to Outlaw Extreme Shunning in Modern Society

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://gilmermirror.com/bookmark/23272594/article-extreme%20shunning#.ufwjurllscm.facebook.

  extreme shunningthe gilmer mirror.

  its time to outlaw extreme shunning in modern society by: richard e. kelly .

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  Americans have a constitutional right to form or reject associations. The suggestion that the state curtail this right is abhorrent. I don't want to be compelled to be anyone's "friend." If families shun us, it is their choice, even if the choice is made based on religious belief we may see as stupid. My brother is an idiot. He's made life choices I reject. Even if I were not still nominally a Witness, I'd "shun" him. Do I want a law in place that compels me to talk to a vulgar, womanizing, drug-taking, former Ministerial Servant? Not very likely.
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  AVOIDING A SHEPHERDING CALL: Suggestions pls

  by grumblecakes in

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  yup got a voice mail bright and early this morning "grumblecakes, we would like to schedule a shepherding call".. how do i get outta this?.

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  thanks!!

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  There is no obligation to meet with them on any account. A simple, not now will do. Tell them you'll call them if you want a visit.
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  Watchtower leaders imprisoned! Details prove fascinating...

  by Terry in

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  2. scandals

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  At back of the trial was clergy opposition. The American Protective League formed to oppose "subversion". In Chicago a Polish Catholic woman took a Watch Tower publication to her bishop who promptly wrote to the US AG. The APL, largely catholic in that part of the country, added its voice. The ban in Canada and in the US was payback time on the part of the clergy.

  The Canadian archives on this are open. You can read the letters from clergy. The US archives are nominally open, but it is impossible to get any meaningful material from them. You can, however, find articles in various contemporary magazines and newspapers where the clergy vent and exult. Read Preacher's Present Arms. It will give you a starting point here.
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  Where did Pastor Russell get his TRUTH?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
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  most jehovah's witnesses are aware there once lived a man named russell and he had something to do with the early years of their religion.. but, generally, interest in the early days is almost non-existent.

  after all, nobody was running around calling themselves jehovah's witnesses, so what difference does any of that really make?.

  russell and the origins of jw doctrines are, as a result of this total black out of curiousity, hidden and permanently obscured.. in fact, the only time charles taze russell is discussed is because some expose' by an apostate has raised a stink.. admitedly, most anti-jw books seek to dredge up scandals, lawsuits, accusations and failed predictions swirling around russell's ministry.. in my own opinion, none of that is half as interesting as the missing part of the equation: where from did pastor russell get his truth?.

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  Rutherford had been dead not quite four years the first time I walked into a Kingdom Hall. Old Timers (I guess I'm one of those now) saw him as a bulwark against the world. "Bible Students" hated him, and still do. When I was new to Witnesses, I read everything he wrote. He was quite a character. I dont' believe many of the things said about him. That photo that floats around of him and a group drinking makes me laugh. I'm old enough to remember rootbeer dispencers. That's what's in the photo and that's what their drinking.

  Other issues? I just don't know. A good place to start is to doubt everything.
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  Watchtower leaders imprisoned! Details prove fascinating...

  by Terry in

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  Macmillan died "faithful." He stayed in our house a time or two. He never left the Watchtower. C. J. Woodworth remained a witness all his life. He was a very odd and very talented man. Also sentenced, but not a director was Giovanni De Cecca. He remained a witness until his death. He had an unexpected sense of humor. Robert Martin remained a witness until his death in 1932. He was Knorr's predicessor as Factory Manager.

  F. W. Robison switched to universalism and associated with the Unsearchable Riches group.
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  Question for Current or Former Elders (baptism of minors)

  by Michelle365 in

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  2. beliefs

  i have joint custody of my two children with my ex husband who is still raising the kids on his time as jws.

  my 11 year old claims she is getting baptized at the next assembly.

  i have heard that i can write a letter to the boe and say that i oppose her getting baptized before she is 18. is that true?

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  If you have joint custody and a religious decisions agreement, get a lawyer. But, you risk upsetting your daughter in ways you cannot foresee. Think it through. Ultimately, baptism means nothing. It's the life choices that are made afterward that matter. You'll be in a better position to "guide" those if she is happy than if she thinks you stood between her and Jehovah.
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  Question for Current or Former Elders (baptism of minors)

  by Michelle365 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have joint custody of my two children with my ex husband who is still raising the kids on his time as jws.

  my 11 year old claims she is getting baptized at the next assembly.

  i have heard that i can write a letter to the boe and say that i oppose her getting baptized before she is 18. is that true?

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  In this country, if you don't have custodial care or joint custody, your objection would mean nothing.
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  I Just Had A Big Fat Bomb Drop On My Head and It Leaves Alot Of Questions

  by TotallyADD in

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  when i got home from work this afternoon my wife was standing near the door looking at me and said you need to sit down i have some hard news to tell you.

  so i sat down and she began saying my brother called and i imminently ask if my mom had died.

  she said no but my mother told my brother a deep family secrect that no one knows about.

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  Old Goat

  My sympathies. I have a half sister I've never met. When I found out she existed, she was underage and I did not contact her. I have no clue where she lives now. She would be in her 40s. I don't think she knows I exist. But every so often I think about her and wonder if my idiot father ever did right by her and her mother.

  My dad was a bad man. Not a Witness at all. Just a rotter.